Posted by: Jim | November 9, 2007

Will Cheney Be Impeached?

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Just … maybe.

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Responses

  1. Bear in mind that impeachment does not mean removal from office. This is a pointless gesture with an election coming up. What a waste of time. The dems should focus on more important issues, like making Hillary stick to one point of view. Not sure if that’s possible – she has Bill’s playbook.

  2. Was it pointless that the Rep’s impeached Clinton for not wanting to reveal his sexual exploits? In that instance you would have a pretty solid case of pointlessness.

    In this instance, it would be the most valuable way that Congress could spend it’s time: to criminalize Cheney’s criminal behavior. Even if they don’t throw the bums out, it would shine a spotlight on their heinous crimes, and maybe the bums will resign in shame like Nixon did.

  3. Hillary’s problem is that she’s a Republican pretending to be, um, well, I’m not sure WHAT she’s pretending to be. She’s probably not even really female, and might even be a reptile of some sort. Or maybe an amphibian. Has anyone ever seen her in the water? But that’s beside the point. Todd, you amaze me; you really do. Your level of cognitive dissonance is astounding — impressive, really, from a purely detached sociological point of view.

    What’s the point of impeachment? One word, man: ACCOUNTABILITY. He, along with his chimp, will be officially labeled as the monsters they are, regardless of whether we are able to actually hang the bastards or not. For a guy with your seemingly black & white, good versus evil, 1950s television-inspired worldview, I would think you’d understand the need to at least TRY to punish a criminal, even if said criminal is part of a bigger organization that will likely not even wince at the attempt.

    Hey don’t get me wrong; I’m disgusted with this pathetic Congress and I KNOW the timing is politically motivated — but so what? It’s better than nothing. It’s probably too little too late, but at least somebody is standing up and stating what has been obvious to quite a few of us for awhile now.

    And besides, impeachment may not mean removal from office, but such a removal can’t happen AT ALL without impeachment happening first. If these douchebags are serious about starting yet another disastrous war to divert attention from their crimes, we need to set the stage NOW if there is any hope of stopping them.

    And, since waterboarding is evidently not torture, perhaps it should be used on these MoFos if they don’t cooperate. And guess what? They haven’t cooperated with anything so far, so maybe we should just get all pre-emptive on their asses. I wonder how ol’ Dickie’s ticker would hold up during the interrogation?

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  4. Todd-o thinks making Hillary “stick to one point of view” is more important than holding our Vice President accountable for his actions. Jim, you’ll probably delete this comment for being a personal attack, but this has to be said, even if only for a short time:

    What an idiot.

  5. Bottom line:

    There is no significant difference when you compare Pubs’ to Dems’: Lobby $$$ is king.

    News Flash! There is an America between Manhattan and Caliphornia.

    Hillary, Rudy, Edwards, Romney, Obama, Thompson, and the rest of the hacks you see in these Nielson-ratings driven “debates” think that you’re a useful idiot.

    This is the big one… most American’s do not care about Liberal causes.

    Gay marriage… Nobody cares; 5-7% of people are gay. Abortion… already legal in all 50 states because of a bad Supreme Court ruling… Nobody cares. War in Iraq? Nobody cares… there is no draft. Socialized health care? Nobody cares… the uncovered are illegals and Welfare whores. Having 7 children by 6 men is not a “job,” and I refuse to pay for this social recklessness.

    Nobody thinks, even if they give lip service to multiculturalism, that all culture’s are equal- they aren’t, sorry.

    Global Warming- nobody cares.

    Any White, Black, Latino, Asian, or any other American (non-Indian) living in the US after 1900 that rails on and on about the slaughter and displacement of the Indians (Native Americans) that does not give up their home to a Native American family and move is a hypocrite of the worst sort.

    Reparations? When will the Egyptians give reparations to the Israel for the slavery during Ramses II?

    You see what I’m saying now?

    Flame on— have fun 🙂

    -Tommy

  6. I actually agree with a fair bit of Tommy’s statement.

    The entrance into the political mainstream of ‘gender politics’ and the home it has made for itself on the left of the debate is anathema to me, and while I would support measures that protect gay people from discrimination in the workplace, I would go no further.

    With healthcare, the statement you make is glib. There is not just the issue of the uncovered, but what of those whose cover is not delivering and who instead of receiving the care they need are locked in battle with legal divisions of enormous healthcare corporations.

    “Any White, Black, Latino, Asian, or any other American (non-Indian) living in the US after 1900 that rails on and on about the slaughter and displacement of the Indians (Native Americans) that does not give up their home to a Native American family and move is a hypocrite of the worst sort.”

    This is just stupid. The notion that if you recognise the sweep of American history, that the price you then have to pay is to vacate your family home appears to be an argument for people to remain steadfastly ignorant of the past.

    To me, a hypocrite of the worst sort is somebody who hates minorities and would never employ a member of a minority, but who in the next breath moans about how unfair Affirmative Action is to white people. I met plenty of these people in Memphis. If we’re going to have a Biggest Hypocrite contest, top that.

    Lastly, you use the method of framing impeaching Cheney as a Liberal Cause as then being grounds for its dismissal as an irrelevance, as “most Americans do not care about Liberal causes.”

    There is at least a twofold problem with this.

    Firstly, it is a cause of great sadness that those who oppose lawbreaking by the holders of the highest office should find that for some, the question of impeachment is a partisan one, rather than being a question of simple justice. I do not believe that if a Democratic WH had acted as Bush/Cheney have, that you would find Jim or Bri arguing against impeaching them. That is because, I believe, there positions are founded in ‘what is best for the US’ and ‘what is just’ in the Republic. That Bush/Cheney supporters are ready to accept the blowback of HRC inheriting ‘the unitary executive’ says it all. On the left, nobody wants a President, of either party, to wield such power. ie: The issue is constitutional, not political.

    That those who enthused over the Clinton impeachment who now oppose impeaching Bush/Cheney demonstrates that on both occasions they acted for partisan gain. (Actually, another great candidate for “Biggest Hypocrites”)

  7. I couldn’t be bothered with my second point! And apologies for some of the spelling mistakes.

  8. Actually, my second point was that if upholding the values of the Republic is now a Liberal Cause, then what could be a more damning indictment of the Right? We are seeing the same thing on the issue of torture and Gitmo, that Republicans are effectively advocating that ‘the rule of law’ is now a Liberal position in our 9/11 world. (This is like the Colbert lament of “Why do the facts have a liberal bias?”)

    Such a state of affairs says it all about the current state of the Right.

  9. There is no more Left and no more Right. There is only a single dichotomy remaining in this country, aside from the ruling elite: people who have critical thinking skills and people who don’t.

    Tommy, I’m guessing for the most part you fit in the former category, but your judgment is clouded by having one foot in the latter. The stereotypes you buy into are hampering your ability to see clearly. For example, you would most certainly label me a ‘Liberal’ which has a meaning to you that is based mostly on propaganda. But you might be shocked to know that I believe both Lincoln and FDR violated their oaths of office and endangered the Republic by expanding the power of the Executive Branch? Sure, both were doing so in the name of emergency powers, but that’s a slippery slope, as we’ve seen lately. I would have voted to censure, if not impeach, both of them, regardless of party affiliation or outcome. If Hillary wins and subsequently uses Bush’s unconstitutional workarounds to give herself unwarranted power, I will want her impeached too. I don’t believe that faithfulness to the Constitution is a partisan issue.

    I don’t believe Bill Clinton violated his oath of office or endangered the Constitution by having a tryst with an intern, but lying about it destroyed his credibility as a leader. I was disgusted with his weasely ways, from claiming not to inhale, to betraying gay service members on a key campaign promise, to the whole ‘I did not have sex with that woman’ debacle. The guy couldn’t tell the truth to save his life, and for that alone he dropped miles in my esteem (does that sound partisan to you?). But if that sort of (sadly typical) political maneuvering was an impeachable offense, then surely the behavior of Bush and Cheney goes far beyond that. These guys are criminals and should get the same treatment they are giving out at Gitmo.

    This goes out to all the so-called Conservatives who still buy into the Bush agenda and think the rest of us are just partisan wackos:

    If the extremist crazies on the far left managed to hijack power — the ones who don’t understand Basic Economics and think they deserve a free vegan lunch and want to open the borders and make cars illegal — I’d be just as savage in my opposition to them as I am to the current maniacs BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION, NOT SOME PARTY LINE. So why can’t the so-called Conservatives see that their party has been hijacked by THE FASCIST NUTCASES AT THEIR FRINGES? Just because they throw in a few phrases you want to hear, doesn’t mean they have your best interests in mind. Unless you are VERY rich and VERY powerful, you are really going to regret giving your support to these fascist fucks. Remember that.

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  10. <— What Bri said.

    I would also like to harp on my old point that no one ever cares about: the uses of the terms “Conservative” and “Liberal” are typically examples-based, which is a bad approach to language and to communication in general.

    “Conservative” means: one who interprets the Constitution conservatively. (i.e. wants to limit Federal Power.) “Liberal” … the opposite.

    So by these terms, Bri would be taking the conservative stance.

    The only reason I bring this up is because the uses of these terms are *seriously* fucking up the ability of the Left and Right to communicate.

  11. Agreed, Jim, that was why it is disingenous of Tommy to state that nobody is interested in Liberal causes and then to designate upholding the Constitution (ie: impeaching law-breaking) as a Liberal cause.

    I don’t bother with a single word self-descriptor for my political views, does anybody else these days?

  12. ha, ha, ha. not one thing any of you do will make the least bit of difference. the battle will be amongst the powers that be and you won’t even know when you’ve lost. and no one in power gives a shit about any of you. stop wasting your energy.

  13. I’m gratified to see that it’s not just my blog that attracts the pathological dregs of society to comment at random.

  14. Was it pointless that the Rep’s impeached Clinton for not wanting to reveal his sexual exploits? In that instance you would have a pretty solid case of pointlessness.

    I cannot argue, but does it make your point more relevant?

  15. Todd-o thinks making Hillary “stick to one point of view” is more important than holding our Vice President accountable for his actions. Jim, you’ll probably delete this comment for being a personal attack, but this has to be said, even if only for a short time:

    What an idiot.

    Chuckie – I would be very afraid if the future of our country were in the hands of someone (Hillary) who cannot remember which issue to stick by, and which point of view to take. Cheney is almost out the door, so what you’re saying is that you would rather waste time chastising someone for past deeds than be concerned with the fate of the next four to eight years of this country? Impeachment didn’t seem to hurt Bill Clinton, so what makes you think it will make a difference with Cheney?

    I’ll take the latter and leave you to wallow in the past. Perhaps you have a little crush on Hillary?

    Thanks for reaffirming that stooping to name-calling makes me the better man. Over and out.

  16. king,

    glad to know that you’ve judged me a pathalogical dreg of society and to accuse me of commenting at random.

    fyi, i’ve been a visitor to this blog for many years, and a friend of the author. and i don’t comment randomly, just judiciously and, when it suits me, anonymously.

    it just happens that this subject makes me incredibly sick. i no longer believe we have the power change it in the traditional manner. our votes no longer count for anything except to provide fodder for the propaganda machine and i see all of you agonizing over something that was set in motion many long years ago and will not be stopped by the likes of us as it is far too late.

  17. king,

    glad to know that you’ve judged me a pathalogical dreg of society and to accuse me of commenting at random.

    fyi, i’ve been a visitor to this blog for many years, and a friend of the author. and i don’t comment randomly, just judiciously and, when it suits me, anonymously.

    it just happens that this subject makes me incredibly sick. i no longer believe we have the power change it in the traditional manner. our votes no longer count for anything except to provide fodder for the propaganda machine and i see all of you agonizing over something that was set in motion many long years ago and will not be stopped by the likes of us as it is far too late.

  18. king,

    glad to know that you’ve judged me a pathalogical dreg of society and to accuse me of commenting at random.

    fyi, i’ve been a visitor to this blog for many years, and a friend of the author. and i don’t comment randomly, just judiciously and, when it suits me, anonymously.

    it just happens that this subject makes me incredibly sick. i no longer believe we have the power change it in the traditional manner. our votes no longer count for anything except to provide fodder for the propaganda machine and i see all of you agonizing over something that was set in motion many long years ago and will not be stopped by the likes of us as it is far too late.

  19. kingfelix,

    good to know you’ve judged me a pathological dreg of society commenting randomly.

    fyi, i have been visiting this blog regularly for more than three years, am friends with the author and comment quite regularly. sometimes, as now, i choose to comment anonymously.

    it is simply that i am heartily sick of the subject. the problems we are dealing with now were set in motion many long years ago, and “we th people”no longer have the power to change it. oh sure, we’re told that we do, but we’ve long since lost the power. our votes count for nothing except as fodder for the propaganda machine and the powers that be do not give a fig for “we the people”.

  20. Your comment presumed to know what is best for other people and possessed no substance.

    Regardless of whether you know the author etc, it still fitted the classical modus operandi of a troll.

    That you feel somehow hard done by makes me think you should reread what you wrote and think about your message, delivered anonymously, its tone and its context.


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